Altered States

Jocko Willink and Sebastian Junger (#744)

This episode is a two-for-one, and that’s because the podcast recently hit its 10-year anniversary and passed one billion downloads. To celebrate, I’ve curated some of the best of the best—some of my favorites—from more than 700 episodes over the last decade. I could not be more excited. The episode features segments from episode #107 “The Scariest Navy SEAL Imaginable… And What He Taught Me” and episode #161 “Lessons from War, Tribal Societies, and a Non-Fiction Life (Sebastian Junger).

Please enjoy!

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#744: Jocko Willink and Sebastian Junger

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SHOW NOTES

  • [06:27] Notes about this supercombo format.
  • [07:30] Enter Jocko Willink.
  • [07:59] What separates good leaders from mediocre or bad leaders?
  • [10:01] Identifying good leadership candidates.
  • [11:46] Teaching the skill of detachment.
  • [16:58] Jocko’s grueling workout that made platoons “tap out.”
  • [18:46] Jocko’s morning rituals.
  • [20:57] People Jocko associates with success.
  • [23:12] Recommended reading.
  • [26:57] How does discipline equal freedom?
  • [31:50] Enter Sebastian Junger.
  • [32:21] Thomas Paine and Stoic philosophy.
  • [34:25] The “chainsaw story” and its impact on Sebastian’s writing career.
  • [38:27] Athleticism and long distance running.
  • [39:00] Developing a writing style.
  • [40:46] Sebastian’s attraction to journalism.
  • [46:22] Sebastian’s writing style and the importance of structure.
  • [55:51] Commencement speech advice for high school graduates.
  • [59:09] Sebastian’s inspiration to visit war-torn countries.
  • [1:01:14] Explanation of “skin walkers.”
  • [1:05:00] Striving for political correctness in gender.
  • [1:11:43] The Iroquois’ peace process and its relevance to modern politics.
  • [1:19:15] Psychiatric effects of war.
  • [1:22:07] Bringing primitive, war-time cohesion into modern society.
  • [1:27:28] PTSD, the C-Train, and returning to New York City after war.
  • [1:32:24] The lonely nature of society.
  • [1:36:24] PTSD prevalence in elite special forces units vs. support units.
  • [1:41:30] How to “support the troops.”
  • [1:47:47] How a Viking helmet started — and stopped — a barfight in Spain.
  • [1:53:16] Developing male closeness while decreasing violence.
  • [1:59:05] Veterans becoming victims in society after returning from war.
  • [2:03:27] Photography/videography habits and Sebastian’s start as a war reporter.
  • [2:07:45] Tim Hetherington’s story and Sebastian’s decision to stop war reporting.
  • [2:11:02] Sebastian’s future writing plans.
  • [2:12:04] One thing anyone can do for a military veteran.
  • [2:16:14] Who comes to mind when Sebastian hears the word “successful?”
  • [2:16:46] Defining courage.
  • [2:16:52] Most gifted books.
  • [2:17:46] What close friends say Sebastian is exceptionally good at.
  • [2:18:09] Combining three writers to create the ultimate writer.
  • [2:18:47] Advice to Sebastian’s younger self.
  • [2:20:07] Recent purchase with the most positive impact on Sebastian’s life.
  • [2:22:16] Something Sebastian believes, despite being unable to prove it.
  • [2:22:23] Disliked habits and common practices of journalists.
  • [2:23:39] Advice from Sebastian’s 70-year-old self to his current self.
  • [2:24:48] Knowing when to write a book.
  • [2:26:53] Sebastian’s billboard.
  • [2:28:22] Final requests for the audience and parting thoughts.

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

Connect with Jocko Willink:

Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | Threads

Connect with Sebastian Junger:

Website | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram

PEOPLE MENTIONED

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