Altered States

Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman (#743)

This episode is a two-for-one, and that’s because the podcast recently hit its 10-year anniversary and passed one billion downloads. To celebrate, I’ve curated some of the best of the best—some of my favorites—from more than 700 episodes over the last decade. I could not be more excited. The episode features segments from episode #421 Dr. Jane Goodall — The Legend, The Lessons, The Hope” and episode #145 The Interview Master: Cal Fussman and the Power of Listening.”

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#743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman

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  • [04:48] Notes about this supercombo format.
  • [05:51] Enter Dr. Jane Goodall.
  • [06:19] Connecting with Louis Leakey and becoming his secretary.
  • [09:43] Gaining acceptance among chimpanzees.
  • [13:09] Primate personalities, compassion, and the story of Old Man saving Marc Cusano.
  • [17:34] Observations of chimpanzee compassion and violence, and inferences about human nature.
  • [19:19] Explaining variance in chimpanzee attitudes toward dominance.
  • [20:55] Cultivating hope to overcome apathy.
  • [26:19] Mr. H, Gary Haun, the indomitable human spirit, and overcoming adversity.
  • [29:37] Dr. Goodall’s billboard.
  • [31:20] Enter Cal Fussman.
  • [32:56] Quincy Jones’ unique book signing practice.
  • [34:19] Cal’s pivotal childhood moment.
  • [38:55] Deconstructing the skill of asking great questions.
  • [42:43] Contrasting interview styles from different life stages.
  • [48:25] University of Missouri Journalism’s role in Cal’s career.
  • [52:24] Drinking with Hunter S. Thompson and Johnny Depp.
  • [55:45] Cal’s start in international travel (and my family trip to Iceland).
  • [1:06:34] How a single question got Cal six months of lodging.
  • [1:14:45] Common mistakes and lessons learned about the art of asking questions.
  • [1:23:30] Honing the ability to tell stories.
  • [1:27:11] A life-changing event at the end of Cal’s travels.
  • [1:31:43] Perfecting the conversational interview.
  • [1:33:43] Speaking at Summit at Sea.
  • [1:46:15] What Mikhail Gorbachev taught Cal about the art of the interview.
  • [1:55:45] Boxing Julio César Chávez.
  • [2:30:31] Why Alex Banayan and George Foreman define success for Cal.
  • [2:42:58] Most gifted books.
  • [2:49:47] Favorite documentaries and movies.
  • [2:55:37] Cal’s billboard.
  • [2:56:08] Advice to Cal’s 30-year-old self.
  • [2:59:05] Overcoming writer’s block with Harry Crews’ advice.
  • [3:18:56] Parting thoughts.


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